MobileRead Package Installer - Page 2

NiLuJe · 11-27-2014, 09:54 AM

@Ruskie_it: Not without tweaking MRPI itself, no.

That said, if you're thinking of a specific dependency chain that isn't already respected by the script, I'm all ears.

Which reminds me, note to self: rp -> crp.

Ruskie_it · 11-27-2014, 10:09 AM

Well, I was thinking to the dependency python --> ss hack - which when I read is not mandatory 'cause first time it would have just been slower I verified to be respected on its own - but I didn't see mentioned that the installer is smart enough to recognize dependencies.
Which by the way I don't know how is possible, but you're the smart guy around here, not me!

(cp crp ??)

NiLuJe · 11-27-2014, 10:13 AM

@Ruskie_it: Then you don't have to worry about anything, that specific (python) dependency chain is handled properly

.

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Originally Posted by NiLuJe

• You can automatically chain multiple update packages (and it handles a basic dependency chain, prioritizing low-level stuff [jb, usbnet, python])

(Notice the "note to self"?, that, by design, implies that there's a good chance it won't make much sense to anyone but me ;p. FWIW: Rescue Pack -> Coward's Rescue Pack).

Ruskie_it · 11-27-2014, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by NiLuJe

@Ruskie_it: Then you don't have to worry about anything, that specific (python) dependency chain is handled properly

.

Oh, didn't notice that, and I didn't think python was low level firstly because it's python: to me, it is high-level

and second because it is in the userstore, so I have always thought of it more as an "application library" so to speak. However, thanks for the info!

Quote:

(Notice the "note to self"?, that, by design, implies that there's a good chance it won't make much sense to anyone but me ;p. FWIW: Rescue Pack -> Coward's Rescue Pack).

Lol, that's MEAN to all us curious out here!

NiLuJe · 11-27-2014, 10:23 AM

@Ruskie_it: You're completely right that the 'low-level' stuff hardly applies to Python here, bad wording on my part

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knc1 · 11-27-2014, 10:56 AM

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... because it is in the userstore, so I have always thought of it more as an "application library" so to speak.

Well, your over-exposure to Windows is showing.

Linux uses ELF libraries, and ELF libraries can be wherever the dynamic loader is told to look for them.

For an extreme example, see my "Hard Float on Kindle" thread -
Where the Amazon system libraries (in the normal system image places) and an additional set of HardFloat system libraries (in 'user storage') are run concurrently.

Ruskie_it · 11-27-2014, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by knc1

Well, your over-exposure to Windows is showing.

Linux uses ELF libraries, and ELF libraries can be wherever the dynamic loader is told to look for them.

No, what is showing is the fact I turned to be a system operator rather than a programmer. Nowadays I couldn't code a timer on windows cli...

Anyway, I didn't mean it wasn't technically possible (btw isn't like that with Windows too? Never programmed low level stuff in Win): I just meant it in the "neat stuff way of doing things" sense: if it's something low-level, keep it where the user does not have access / protected areas, and this more or less also applies to *nix afaik...

knc1 · 11-27-2014, 11:04 AM

I was mislead / misunderstood the background to your question.

Windows applications can (and often do) ship *.dll files that are installed in the application directory.
Their default dynamic loader search, searches the application directory first.

(Windows doesn't have a for-real sense of a 'set of reserved, system library tree' directories like *nix does.)

eschwartz · 11-27-2014, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Ruskie_it

Lol, that's MEAN to all us curious out here!

It is a sneaky plot to make you hang out here more

that way you will recognize out of the way packages and also NiLuJe's Way.

See, now you're stuck here for ever and ever.

GoSharks · 11-27-2014, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by eschwartz

....NiLuJe's Way....

Holy sh*t...NiLuJe has a 'Way' ('is that better than a plan?'

) Last I heard, NiLuJe only had a (*evil*) 'Laugh'?! Where have I been?

eschwartz · 11-27-2014, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GoSharks

Holy sh*t...NiLuJe has a 'Way' ('is that better than a plan?'

) Last I heard, NiLuJe only had a (*evil*) 'Laugh'?! Where have I been?

Well, the Laugh is his, but the Way is communal property -- owned in group partnership with about 99% of programmers worldwide.

Ruskie_it · 11-27-2014, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by eschwartz

It is a sneaky plot to make you hang out here more

that way you will recognize out of the way packages and also NiLuJe's Way.

See, now you're stuck here for ever and ever.

Hah, it was too much effort! He already had me at:

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Originally Posted by NiLuJe

Don't have time to rehash the details, because there are quite a few, but while some of it survives the trip, I really, really urge anyone relying on custom code *NOT* to update until everything is golden for good.

Now if I am getting this right, thanks to JB 1.13.N, Kual 2.5 and mrinstaller 1.3.N, we might quite say we're golden (except we cannot easily downgrade), but as long as he does not confirm this, I'm stuck here waiting for the ok-go to apply this damn update! :P
GrrrrRRrrr... I wanna go back to just read on that thing!

eschwartz · 11-27-2014, 02:52 PM

Well, the latest JB now protects itself from being locked out, and includes a working "su" which KUAL scripts can rely on to escape the user "framework". Also, if you drop a script named emergency.sh into the root of the Kindle Drive it will be run, as root.

So fw5.6.1 no longer goes nuclear on our hacks.
That being said, it is not unreasonable to think some/all hacks need tweaking to run properly -- but they can now be installed.

We need more guinea pigs.

At least nothing catastrophic should happen to these ones.

(Sorry, @pghaworth, for your now-less-than-completely-useful PW2. But it was for a noble cause.

)

Ruskie_it · 11-27-2014, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by eschwartz

At least nothing catastrophic should happen to these ones.

(Sorry, @pghaworth, for your now-less-than-completely-useful PW2. But it was for a noble cause.

)

Lol, poor pghaworth... but I hear he managed to be able to use it, didn't he? His problem is only that it is now "immune" to jb... At least, he can still read with it!

And... I know you're trying to lead me into upgrade, but I'll still wait a while I think. :P

NiLuJe · 11-27-2014, 05:27 PM

@GoSharks: You get extra points for that Serenity quote ^^.

Actually, we got @pghaworth's PW2 back up & running, because I'm sneaky like that

. (It's on that same device that the multiple WIP iterations were run and tested

). No I'm just trying to figure out why the same trick hasn't completely taken on @GoShark's device... ^^.

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11-27-2014, 09:54 AM	#16
NiLuJe BLAM! Posts: 13,499 Karma: 26047188 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Paris, France Device: Kindle 2i, 3g, 4, 5w, PW, PW2, PW5; Kobo H2O, Forma, Elipsa, Sage, C2E	@Ruskie_it: Not without tweaking MRPI itself, no. That said, if you're thinking of a specific dependency chain that isn't already respected by the script, I'm all ears. Which reminds me, note to self: rp -> crp.

11-27-2014, 10:09 AM	#17
Ruskie_it Fanatic Posts: 538 Karma: 1000000 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Rome, Italy Device: Kindle PW5, Kindle PW4, Kindle 4 NT	Well, I was thinking to the dependency python --> ss hack - which when I read is not mandatory 'cause first time it would have just been slower I verified to be respected on its own - but I didn't see mentioned that the installer is smart enough to recognize dependencies. Which by the way I don't know how is possible, but you're the smart guy around here, not me! (cp crp ??)

11-27-2014, 10:23 AM	#20
NiLuJe BLAM! Posts: 13,499 Karma: 26047188 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Paris, France Device: Kindle 2i, 3g, 4, 5w, PW, PW2, PW5; Kobo H2O, Forma, Elipsa, Sage, C2E	@Ruskie_it: You're completely right that the 'low-level' stuff hardly applies to Python here, bad wording on my part .

11-27-2014, 11:04 AM	#23
knc1 Going Viral Posts: 17,212 Karma: 18210809 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Central Texas Device: No K1, PW2, KV, KOA	I was mislead / misunderstood the background to your question. Windows applications can (and often do) ship .dll files that are installed in the application directory. Their default dynamic loader search, searches the application directory first. (Windows doesn't have a for-real sense of a 'set of reserved, system library tree' directories like nix does.)

11-27-2014, 02:52 PM	#28
eschwartz Ex-Helpdesk Junkie Posts: 19,421 Karma: 85397180 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Beaten Path, USA, Roundworld, This Side of Infinity Device: Kindle Touch fw5.3.7 (Wifi only)	Well, the latest JB now protects itself from being locked out, and includes a working "su" which KUAL scripts can rely on to escape the user "framework". Also, if you drop a script named emergency.sh into the root of the Kindle Drive it will be run, as root. So fw5.6.1 no longer goes nuclear on our hacks. That being said, it is not unreasonable to think some/all hacks need tweaking to run properly -- but they can now be installed. We need more guinea pigs. At least nothing catastrophic should happen to these ones. (Sorry, @pghaworth, for your now-less-than-completely-useful PW2. But it was for a noble cause. )

11-27-2014, 05:27 PM	#30
NiLuJe BLAM! Posts: 13,499 Karma: 26047188 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Paris, France Device: Kindle 2i, 3g, 4, 5w, PW, PW2, PW5; Kobo H2O, Forma, Elipsa, Sage, C2E	@GoSharks: You get extra points for that Serenity quote ^^. Actually, we got @pghaworth's PW2 back up & running, because I'm sneaky like that . (It's on that same device that the multiple WIP iterations were run and tested ). No I'm just trying to figure out why the same trick hasn't completely taken on @GoShark's device... ^^.

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