03-15-2018, 04:02 AM | #16 | ||||||
Wizard
Posts: 1,481
Karma: 9010563
Join Date: Jul 2013
Device: none
|
Quote:
Quote:
Information rich content. It benefits from an extra dimension. (It was for example the point of failure of the Onyx tablet used as GPS based map browser.) Information conveyed through a flowing logic expressed in text paragraphs hardly benefits from colours, the rest does. I am actually more concerned about the quality of black and of white in displays made for sustained reading. Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Which by the way brings me to the statement I often read "OLED consumes more then other technologies when mostly displaying whites". Who is the cleverboy that uses it to display mostly whites? First you need the capability, then the "baculty" - the two sides of "ability"! Quote:
|
||||||
03-15-2018, 04:26 AM | #17 | ||
Wizard
Posts: 1,481
Karma: 9010563
Join Date: Jul 2013
Device: none
|
Quote:
Quote:
4096 (12 bits, I guess 16 shades per tint like e-ink) is plenty, and with high resolution and dithering it means perceptually more than the usual 24 bits, the millions of colours (to instead answer other criticism in a different thread). 30 fps is plenty, we have been using 24 (? memory) for the final deliverable for a century, and the frame switch consumption should be minimal ("the enegy to move a single particle for half a micron") so hours and hours should be more than granted. |
||
Advert | |
|
03-15-2018, 06:21 AM | #18 | |
Addict
Posts: 219
Karma: 29322
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Norway
Device: Android-phone, HTC Desire Z
|
Quote:
I just attended a dinner party where we got talking about books. Most of the guests were avid readers, two of which were part of reading groups. But none had heard of e-ink without a back-light. Everyone read dead tree books. So, I told them where to get e-books and that there were actually were Android e-readers on the market. Everyone was interested and two of the women brought out their notebooks to jot it down, as they had to get it. In America a Kindle is okay to use for reading. Sure, the backlight makes it not as good for the eyes as an Onyx, but you can buy most book titles as ebooks. But in Europe you have to get your books from various sources, and then you'll need an Android e-reader (you'll get your books from Amazon, local online e-book stores, the regional library also has e-books and the national library has many more). But alas, there are no major local stores that carry Android e-readers. So, when an Android e-reader comes for sale at local stores, I think it would do very well. What I decide whether I think a screen is good, my priorities are. 1) Is it good to read books on? 2) Is it good to read books on? 3) Is it good to read books on? If such a color display you propose makes it slightly less suited for book reading, then I'd rather keep the e-ink. But, sure there are times when color would be nice. |
|
03-15-2018, 06:45 AM | #19 | |
Wizard
Posts: 1,481
Karma: 9010563
Join Date: Jul 2013
Device: none
|
Brighter than its whites... (As it should!*)
*With which pretty obscurely I mean, "E-Ink contrast could probably be improved but it is already near where it should be". Quote:
Not even the exceptional perimetral and bounary-pushing cases will buy it if it's not good for reading. Last edited by mdp; 03-15-2018 at 06:53 AM. |
|
03-15-2018, 07:17 PM | #20 | |
Addict
Posts: 219
Karma: 29322
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Norway
Device: Android-phone, HTC Desire Z
|
Quote:
|
|
Advert | |
|
03-15-2018, 10:33 PM | #21 | ||
Fanatic
Posts: 520
Karma: 846170
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: New Zealand
Device: Onyx Boox Poke 5, Samsung Galaxy Tab S5e 10.5
|
Quote:
Quote:
Last edited by Hrafn; 03-15-2018 at 10:43 PM. |
||
03-16-2018, 02:36 AM | #22 | |
Wizard
Posts: 1,481
Karma: 9010563
Join Date: Jul 2013
Device: none
|
Quote:
Nobody defended the absurd... You sound like you are taking the OP literally. >We are discussing emerging technologies A "technology" is not a "product", and "emerging" is not just opposite of "consolidated", it does not even cover "available"! The technology employed, for what we know, allows for over 500ppi. It spins off LCD! Their demo prototype was a video loop from the fifties! If you want to discuss possibie limitations, check again the whites in the filmed prototypes and enjoy the rainbows. Which, again, I would not prematurely attribute to the final product. |
|
03-16-2018, 08:29 AM | #23 | |
Groupie
Posts: 184
Karma: 2019866
Join Date: Feb 2018
Device: Kobo Aura-One (using KOReader app), Boox Note-3, iPad(s)
|
Quote:
Last edited by Marinolino; 03-16-2018 at 08:43 AM. |
|
03-16-2018, 08:40 AM | #24 | |
Wizard
Posts: 1,481
Karma: 9010563
Join Date: Jul 2013
Device: none
|
Quote:
Anyway, that would be rehiring former personnel. |
|
03-16-2018, 08:49 AM | #25 |
Groupie
Posts: 184
Karma: 2019866
Join Date: Feb 2018
Device: Kobo Aura-One (using KOReader app), Boox Note-3, iPad(s)
|
Yep, unless Google or someone else offered even more, actually starting with a mass production immediately, but it still could e.g. at the beginning be displays only for the Army instead for the public.
Last edited by Marinolino; 03-16-2018 at 09:05 AM. |
03-16-2018, 11:26 PM | #26 |
Fanatic
Posts: 520
Karma: 846170
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: New Zealand
Device: Onyx Boox Poke 5, Samsung Galaxy Tab S5e 10.5
|
A few points:
|
03-17-2018, 03:15 AM | #27 | ||
Wizard
Posts: 1,481
Karma: 9010563
Join Date: Jul 2013
Device: none
|
As you know, there's no product.
"Onyx, reading is clearly not the future... Why have you not hexachrome in your screens?" Sorry, I am bad at absurd, I can never beat natural samples. Quote:
The showcase demo cannot be representative - it is there to prove the technology, not represent possible product specifications. They remain on paper until production. Quote:
We do not really have the specs... I am not informed of anything to be improved. They are in trial-manufacturing, but we do not get to get the results. I think this phase is of preparation of the planned product, I have not recorded what it is meant to be. Specifications of the first products will probably strongly vary accordingly (watch vs tablet vs label)... It's not the same technology. That's electrowetting. Do not forget the point in time. Maybe good electrowetting will be trivial in 15 years. It is not now. Higher than what? Current widespread targets are more than sufficient. |
||
03-17-2018, 07:40 AM | #28 | |||||||
Fanatic
Posts: 520
Karma: 846170
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: New Zealand
Device: Onyx Boox Poke 5, Samsung Galaxy Tab S5e 10.5
|
Quote:
Quote:
What I did state is that the technology is at 106dpi now, and suggested that it would take time (during which the market will inevitably evolve, both with other new technologies entering, and customer needs and expectations evolving) and money to improve it. Quote:
Liquavista's technology also exists, as does Mirasol's, and bare existence hasn't done either much good. Showcase demos are far more frequent in this market than demos that turn into viable products. Quote:
I wish I could share it, but you appear to be 'whistling past the graveyard' (of moribund technologies). I would also suspect that, if resolution improvements were just around the corner, that CI would be pushing that fact. ADDENDUM: The fact that CI has been around since 2012 would seem to indicate that progress is slow, and that we are unlikely to see sudden jumps in resolution. It took eInk 10 years to get from its original patent to its first commercial product (150ppi) eInk Vizplex, and then a further 7 years to get to 300ppi (eInk Carta HD). Quote:
Until we have specs, we have little more than vaporware and speculation. Quote:
I stated that it was "a technology" (which it clearly is), which was backed by a series of industry heavyweights. CI, on the other hand is getting investment from far smaller players. When a product isn't ready for (non-trial) production, deep pockets matter. Quote:
What "widespread targets" are you talking about? How are they applicable? Last edited by Hrafn; 03-17-2018 at 08:51 AM. Reason: Addendum |
|||||||
03-17-2018, 09:35 AM | #29 | |
Wizard
Posts: 1,481
Karma: 9010563
Join Date: Jul 2013
Device: none
|
Quote:
> Until we have specs, we have little more than vaporware and speculation. Right, including the achievable resolutions: the prototype is not enough. |
|
03-18-2018, 12:16 AM | #30 | ||||||||
Fanatic
Posts: 520
Karma: 846170
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: New Zealand
Device: Onyx Boox Poke 5, Samsung Galaxy Tab S5e 10.5
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
In fact the only basis we have for even speculating on such improvements is the speed at which prior technologies achieved them -- hence my eInk discussion -- which you appear to have ignored. Quote:
Also, a prototype IS, by definition, the "state of the art". It is the very best implementation of the technology that they have been able to turn from theory into reality. Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Last edited by Hrafn; 03-18-2018 at 12:24 AM. |
||||||||
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Onyx pls stop working on Android 4 and single core | fgdas | Onyx Boox | 6 | 06-07-2017 06:00 PM |
Onyx, please stop indexing HTML files! | Orphee | Onyx Boox | 5 | 01-31-2015 08:22 AM |
Onyx Boox M96 - What ALL e-Ink ereaders should aspire to | dpayment | Onyx Boox | 27 | 12-17-2014 04:15 PM |
Onyx E-Ink Smartphone Launching Today! | Timoleon | News | 102 | 09-25-2014 07:18 AM |
Onyx Now Working on a Lighted E-ink eReader | Booxtor | Onyx Boox | 101 | 11-07-2012 11:08 AM |