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Old 08-13-2015, 11:08 AM   #151
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It would make a difference only if you wished to store kfx files, obtained from a device which supports them.
That is true. But I have so far only stored I'm my calibre files that I want to be able to view from other devices or move them to other devices.
So far I have not had any issues with Amazon storing my ebooks that I get from them. But I have had to edit a fair number of them to clean up misprints.
I know I am not a great speller and never made that great a grades in English class, but I sure do get upset with having to guess at times what the book is saying and I find that a lot with some ebooks. I have seen issues with the ebook with misspells and mistypes and go to the paper book and they are not there. It seems that they are not editing the ebooks very well.
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Old 08-13-2015, 11:09 AM   #152
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Would that even make a difference seeing that you do not get a kfx file when you down load to Kindle for PC
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That is true. But I have so far only stored I'm my calibre files that I want to be able to view from other devices or move them to other devices.
Hello, linux here. K4PC on WINE is a PITA.

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Anything that makes it more difficult to import and backup your books wherever they may be is not wonderful news.

I have always added books from my Kindle Touch, I don't need additional software installed just to download my books (and not even to read or manage them).
Downloading from the browser is awkward and clumsy.
Options are great, being forced down one path only adds new friction to many users' workflows.

It would be helpful if calibre could handle it. Maybe that would happen, maybe not -- but the nonexistent difference is certainly there.

Thank you for your consideration.

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Old 08-13-2015, 11:30 AM   #153
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People have previously reported that downloading "Enhanced Typesetting Enabled" books with K4PC, and copying those books to the Kindle exhibits no enhancements. Whether downloading books to a Kindle and going from there to Calibre would work or not, time will tell. I've love to be wrong in my view that it's unlikely to work!
This seems to confirm that sideloading a kfx onto a kfx-enabled device does not display the new typography.

Edit: If K4PC doesn't support it, then the functions wouldn't carry over. But then, I wouldn't expect Amazon to send K4PC a kfx if the program doesn't support the format.

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Old 08-13-2015, 11:31 AM   #154
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This seems to confirm that sideloading a kfx onto a kfx-enabled device does not display the new typography.
No, it simply confirms that you currently don't get kfx files from K4PC.
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Old 08-13-2015, 11:43 AM   #155
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This seems to confirm that sideloading a kfx onto a kfx-enabled device does not display the new typography.

Edit: If K4PC doesn't support it, then the functions wouldn't carry over. But then, I wouldn't expect Amazon to send K4PC a kfx if the program doesn't support the format.
I can confirm that it IS possible to sideload a kfx onto a kfx enabled device and have hyphenation and enhanced spacing. I can't speak to the other aspects of the new typography, as I can't see them.

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Old 08-13-2015, 11:50 AM   #156
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This seems to confirm that sideloading a kfx onto a kfx-enabled device does not display the new typography.

Edit: If K4PC doesn't support it, then the functions wouldn't carry over. But then, I wouldn't expect Amazon to send K4PC a kfx if the program doesn't support the format.
K4PC downloads AZW3. That statement was made before it was realized that KFX exists.

K4PC hasn't even been updated how do you expect it to receive a whole new file format???
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Old 08-13-2015, 11:55 AM   #157
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No, it simply confirms that you currently don't get kfx files from K4PC.
Thanks. I see that now.

It would be nice if somebody could test a kfx can be sideloaded and still maintain the new functionality.

One method would be to download it via the Kindle, copy it, delete it from the Kindle, then sideload it back onto the Kindle. Though that's not as sure a test as sideloading a kfx downloaded from another device. Both techniques involve the possibility that de-drming might remove features.

Edit: Oops, didn't see Shalym's post.

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I can confirm that it IS possible to sideload a kfx onto a kfx enabled device and have hyphenation and enhanced spacing. I can't speak to the other aspects of the new typography, as I can't see them.

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Was that a kfx copied and sideloaded from the same device, or from another device? And was it de-drmed?
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Was that a kfx copied and sideloaded from the same device, or from another device? And was it de-drmed?
It can't have been DRMed -- the tools don't handle the new format.

shalym tested sideloading to a second, unregistered, device.

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It's not looking good.

See this:



Also this:

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=263902
Ugh. Amazon is slowly but surely cementing the walled garden. Since most people don't care, why shouldn't they?
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Ugh. Amazon is slowly but surely cementing the walled garden. Since most people don't care, why shouldn't they?
Well, hopefully this can be reverse-engineered. But yes, it's disappointing that Amazon has introduced a whole new format instead of simply tweaking AZW3.
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I can confirm that it IS possible to sideload a kfx onto a kfx enabled device and have hyphenation and enhanced spacing. I can't speak to the other aspects of the new typography, as I can't see them.

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Oh good. Thank you. At least we know the typography data isn't stuck in a hidden file not in userstore.

Does anyone know of a DRM free book with new typography enhancement and free sample?
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Ugh. Amazon is slowly but surely cementing the walled garden. Since most people don't care, why shouldn't they?
And, you're right, Barty. Most people don't care. It's one of the rare issues where I'm lumped in with "most people".

I like the enhanced typesetting.
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Oh good. Thank you. At least we know the typography data isn't stuck in a hidden file not in userstore.

Does anyone know of a DRM free book with new typography enhancement and free sample?
On Basilisk Station, by David Weber, has no DRM, and has the enhanced typesetting enabled. It costs 0.00$, no doubt to get one hooked on the Honor Harrington series.

Go ye forth, download, and figure out what's going on in the kfx format.
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I have seen a couple of the new books that have the enhancements enabled and they do look great to me. But I have to say also that ebooks that I email to my device also looks much better than before the update.

It seems to me that some on here are looking for way more of an improvement than I am and I can see more improvement than I was expecting.
I've noticed that too. I think that they improved the layout engine and thus rendering for all ebooks. So even if they are not enhanced by hyphenation and kerning they still have slightly better layout than before.
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