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I greatly prefer ebooks, but there is a vacuum for books written in the last half of the last century, so would vote against restricting the choices to ebooks. As paolo mentions, geographic restrictions mean that even books that are available digitally often can't be found worldwide anyway.
I like the suggestion of shortening the voting schedule and using multiple choice open votes. I also suppport the early creation of the thread for discussion, hopefully that will generate additional conversation and perhaps encourage those who haven't tackled the book yet to start reading. Spoilers would probably be a good idea for the first week, or at least some reticence in posting details and instead posting a general impression of the book first (either while reading or when finished) and coming back later in the month with your in depth analysis of the work. |
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I want to say thank you all for the replies to and interest in the upcoming refresh! I would've liked to have responded sooner, but with many replies and much going on, I kept putting it off. Sorry for the prolonged silence but I'm glad to get to these responses at least before it all starts on the 1st.
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Finally, I have a few other comments. First, thank you issybird for the help! I agree with all your responses and even if it took me awhile to respond here, I’m glad you plunged in earlier to help clear some things up. Second, we are all free to do as we please, but I do hope we can all be civil here! We have few enough members as it is! If an unchoice word was used in the first place that offended, I would think (hope) it was unintentional. Third, the refresh starts very soon and here’s to a great second half of 2012! ![]() |
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https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=168904 And that poll was for an outright exclusion of paper books. All I was suggesting was some sort of wording about stressing ebook choices. |
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I understand what you're saying about at least including some wording and I see that many posters like e-books, even exclusively, but this is my reasoning to even keep a mention of e-books out of it -
The way I see it, if 60% of voters prefer an e-book, then one will always win. "Literary" itself is already a restrictive category and after that I'd rather keep the pool as wide as possible. Also, this isn't just about the winner, it's also about people discovering other books just through nominees, even ones that don't get fully nominated. So, to me, putting in even a mention of e-books in the wording may make some hesitant to nominate certain works. Those works may not win, but they'll then be exposed to everyone reading the thread and some may decide to look into and possibly read that work anyway. I see nominations not only as a process to a monthly selection but also as a discovery of possibilities. But, even if a non-ebook wins, why is that then bad? It would mean that that month, more people preferred and voted for a non-ebook. Anyone who doesn't want to read a non-ebook can always read another ebook nominee or wait and join again the next month. I don't want to exclude anyone who only reads ebooks, but nor do I want to exclude the realm of non-ebook possibilities. So I think leaving it with no stated preference to any format is the best solution for everyone because e-books will still often win, but non-ebooks can still be nominated and discovered without hesitancy, and possibly even win now and then, if that's what the voters prefer. |
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^ very well put.
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Let me start by saying I haven't read a pbook in 3 years, since I purchased my first reader. I'm going to read ebooks only, unless that must read pbook comes along, and a must read pbook hasn't come along in three years.
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I like reading on my devices; I even prefer it. But I still read pbooks, because availability and price are factors also. Price is an every person for himself kind of thing, whether it's worth paying a premium for the convenience of ereading. But just as format is a limiting factor for some, so is availability, especially for a lit club where too many potential reads aren't availability digitally. Geo-restrictions further narrow the pool, if we're to be limited to ebooks available in all venues.
I understand that for some, ebook format isn't a choice, it's a necessity, and that's unfortunate. There's a tradeoff between breadth of selection and breadth of format, and I think sun surfer has made the right choice. Here's what I don't get. I'm sorry that in any given month, people won't be reading the selection because it's only available in pbook in their markets, or perhaps not available in any format whatsoever. But why would someone walk away in a huff and decline to participate at all, even though the choice in many months will meet his criteria? Instead, why wouldn't someone get involved in the nominating process, actively promote selections in a preferred format, and happily read and discuss in months he can? So the glass is half full; don't dump it on the ground because you didn't get as much as you want. |
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I clearly remember the poll mentioned by John F. and I would stand by my reply then. I still think that e-books should be the preferred option but I would be reluctant to simply exclude all other formats.
Sometimes, it is well worth getting a hard copy. For instance, it was quite impossible for me to obtain an electronic format for Turn Magic Wheel, so I ordered the pbook and am very glad that I did so--as otherwise I would have been denying myself a wonderful reading experience. I have since found other very good works which are simply not available in any ebook format at all. I couldn't get the Datkangel trilogy by Meredith Ann Pierce in any electronic form and had to read the paperback edition--which was very pleasantly printed. You might recall that I nominated Wide Sargasso Sea and this too is not easily obtained in ebook form but it is quite inexpensive as a paperback. Another excellent book was chosen in the poll that was an ebook--and, personally, I think that was the correct option--but I still think that my nomination of WSS was worth making, if only to draw attention to the novel. And, as Issybird pointed out, geo-restrictions add another problem. Living in the Republic of Ireland means that I cannot oder books from the UK Kindle store! They have to be available through Amazon.com. and be obtained from that site. So I would agree that we really should allow latitude in the formatting choice. Last edited by fantasyfan; 07-01-2012 at 02:47 AM. |
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There is no guarantee that a title available as an ebook will be available world wide or available in both mobi and epub formats, so I agree with those who believe that insisting on ebooks for all is needlessly limiting.
For example, The Remains of the Day was the February nomination and it wasn't available as an ebook in Canada. Did John F consider that when he voted for it? Likely not, since it was available as an ebook for him. Does it meet his ebook only requirement? Obviously not. Since I wanted to read it, I voted for it anyway and got a paper copy from my library, even though I vastly prefer ebooks. As sun surfer mentioned, the voting each month will separate the wheat from the chaff and if ebooks are preferred then they will win. I use these nomination threads as book recommendations, I've scanned all the threads from the inception of this bookclub (and the other one) to find books I might like. Some of the non-ebook nominations will eventually be released as ebooks, so I'm happy to have those recommendations and I put them on my watch list. |
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Change comes with time, and so the time for change is upon us, heh. We've been using this first Literary Club thread as a makeshift general discussion thread, but now the stickied "Categories and Selections" thread has been retitled to include general discussion and will now serve the purpose this one was serving.
So if you'd like to discuss anything, please use that thread instead. Here's the link: The MR Literary Club • Welcome, Information & General Discussion |
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