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You defend your inaccurate quote and that is perfectly fine as that is your prerogative and my plea for a more full treatment of what I said is completely at your mercy. I am glad that I provided a more full quote while highlighting your version of my statement though, just so people can follow the real argument. So, I am satisfied overall. Now, we have been through this, I understand where you stand on this even though I do not think your treatment of my contribution was fair despite your dismissal of my complaint directed at your quoting habit. No more need be said. It is obvious where we sit. |
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Iwouldl ike to take a moment in the disucssion of ebooks as a service to note the definitions of the words that are being used. Goods are a group of merchndise that are sold according to Miriam and Webster (m-w.com). There is no mention that the items sold needs to be a of a phiscal nature what so ever thus in my opinion software and/or an ebook can be goods. And a service is defined as work that is rendered to a customer, thus I do not belive that either ebooks and/or software qualify.
Thus it is my contention that as a part of goods that may be sold on a market they are subject to the same rights and restrictions as the dead wood books would be. I am not a lawyer and have no knowledge of the legal issues but it would be my contention that ebooks since they are part of goods they may be resold at any time. If I buy a license for say a Dale Brown book, which I have done, I may chose to sell that license at a future time. |
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First sale doctrine does not extend to digitally protected media. That's one of the hallmarks of the DMCA.
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01-10-2011, 10:48 AM | #79 |
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The act of selling ebooks is a service, the books themselves whether it is a paper or digital version is a good.
Any digital good that is not locked with DRM DOES fall within First Sale doctrine. There was a lawsuit from 2007-08 about CDs (which is also digital media on a physical medium) being sold second hand and the company UMG did not like it. Example lawsuit: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...tional-cds.ars So it doesn't matter if it is a physical book, ebook or Kindle with books on it, the law states we can legally sell the digital goods as we please provided it does not have DRM from the source we purchased it from. |
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Jasper Fforde's Lost in a Good Book can be purchased off the very same site that sells the $15 ebook, for $4 used (in paper form no less, which you find more valuable.). I bet it reads just fine. Those starving ereader owners can rejoice, and sell their electronics for bags of millet. |
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When you buy an ebook you are not really buying a book. You're buying the means to make one, and the limited rights to do so. Don't like the terms? Don't agree with the value? Don't pay for it, or make one without paying for those rights by getting the information from someone who violates those terms (and possibly laws). Your call. I won't judge. Quote:
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Please do. I am open to being re-enlightened on the matter, or rather, the nature of matter. Discussing how intellectual property falls into and where ebook purchases fit into the whole mess will risk my sanity. Hence, I concede on all points. All I wanna do is read some books.
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All retailers were much more sensitive to selling price of books, (not just ebooks), and were able to respond quickly to market conditions, in much the same way the agency five don't.
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The 40th Anniversary Edition of Dune for Kindle is outrageously priced and according to reviews, very badly formatted.
Dune at Kindle Store Even the paperback is expensive at $11.56. You can buy the paperback from the Borders website for $7.99 and I saw a hardcover version on sale at a B&M Waldenbooks for the same price. I don't have to think long about which store would get the cash. One thing I'd never heard of until coming here was buying 2nd hand and slicing the spines off to be scanned. Learning about that alone was worth registering. Last edited by silasgreenback; 01-10-2011 at 10:31 PM. Reason: Trying to fix link. |
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