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04-30-2022, 09:16 PM | #47 |
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People haven't given up, they just don't care and have never cared. Giving up implies they did care at some point in the past; I strongly doubt that the majority has ever done so. Life is just too short and full of bigger problems and concerns. I for one have no time or energy to worry about businesses knowing the color of my socks.
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04-30-2022, 09:43 PM | #48 |
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Collecting the data required to provide a specific service is a far cry from what is happening with Google et al. AND I still expect even small business to take reasonable steps to protect what little data they did obtain. When I give business X certain details I am making a choice for my dealings with that business. It's a clear up front choice. If I discovered that the convenience store down the street was abusing my trust then I would not shop there. But as a rule such businesses don't do that (or not at scale, I'm sure some gossip happens). One of the reasons why they don't is that their customers expect better of them.
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04-30-2022, 11:40 PM | #49 | |
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How is giving your info to Amazon, Apple, Google, and other big companies any different? Personally, I've never had a problem with my info being out there. Once my bank contacted me and told me that one site where I used my card was hacked and they sent me a new card overnight. I was not inconvenienced at all. I don't want to live in a cave. I just want to live my life and I do. If I was to be that paranoid about privacy, I may as well stop living. |
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Interesting that you cling to your choice of doing business with those small businesses yet criticize others for making a choice to do business with Amazon et al. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander, and if you insist on holding your right to choose to give your information away to certain businesses so to should others be free to do so without you decrying their choices and demeaning them. |
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05-01-2022, 03:43 AM | #51 | |
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And whatever I said or implied about giving up, JSWolf's earlier post suggesting it is "no win" is probably an accurate conclusion. The market has spoken, the business models have formed and been proven successful. Arguments about right or wrong or necessity are largely just noise around this central fact. Despite that, I remain confident we could have pretty much the same level of useful technological innovation without requiring the loss of privacy. (Note that privacy is about control, merely sharing the data with a particular entity is not necessarily loss of privacy, losing control of the data is.) There are solutions out there that prove users can retain control in at least some contexts, which is why I made the earlier comments about people being fooled into thinking they have no choice. Some choices exist, and if the incentives existed there would be more, but so far the market does not favour them. About the only other thing that might adjust the balance now would be legislation. |
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Quite. I view privacy as my right to NOT share things. Not, at it's core, control over what other people do once I chose to give up that right. That's more a matter of trust, confidentiality and contracts.
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Practically nothing is private, your job MAY spy on you through the pc/laptop that they let you use. Anytime you purchase something online others MAY use that data to send you emails for other stuff to purchase. SO WHAT? You hit delete and move on! If you are that paranoid, then go buy yourself an island and be a non communicating hermit! So long as people use common sense, life will tick along just fine and it is highly doubtful that someone will steal your identity. Why? Because the world does NOT revolve around you. :r ofl: |
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I'm not trying to claim it is all perfect, but real options do exist to achieve much more than people seem to be assuming, and they would get better rapidly if there was a greater demand for them. If we demand more of our service providers then they can provide it. |
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What I find truly ironic is that you are worried about Amazon etc. but no one gives a thought about all the other places that demand your private info. Your place of employment HR Dept, Payroll depts. has to have this info about you if you want to get hired. Social Security Admn, IRS, The State treasury that you live in. Hospitals will need all this info for billing purposes.
I have dealt with private info all day long in all the jobs that I have had, and guess what so do thousands of other people who work in these kinds of depts. Guess what? I couldn't careless, I'm too busy trying to process my job to care about any of the info that I have access to! Again so many people have access to our private info that can actually do damage with it, and would probably never be caught for a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time it boggles the mind. But nobody cares because again no one is really that important to care about their info. There are also so many checks and balances and warnings in place, that it is really hard to get away with data theft. |
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Who said no one gives a thought about the other places? I just don't complain here because I figure most people won't be interested in my ongoing arguments about payroll and tax reporting in Australia. I can start it you like.
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As long as no one is searching my documents on my hard drive I don't care. If after googling wool coats I start seeing ads for winter coats on the web, I don't care and find it convenient. I might see one I like.
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