[Plugin] FootnoteLinker Sigil plugin - Page 4

Leonatus · 02-22-2022, 03:17 AM

I`d just like to forward an experience that I just have made: While tapping on the footnote in the text on my Kobo (with Kepub format), there appears a pop-up with the adequate note and back. But trying the same on my Tolino, tapping on the footnote in the text opens the whole HTML-page with the Endnotes. I can jump back to the text, that's not the problem. It's only strange that the tap does not specify the exact footnote.
No problem, I only want you to know.

davidfor · 02-22-2022, 05:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leonatus

I`d just like to forward an experience that I just have made: While tapping on the footnote in the text on my Kobo (with Kepub format), there appears a pop-up with the adequate note and back. But trying the same on my Tolino, tapping on the footnote in the text opens the whole HTML-page with the Endnotes. I can jump back to the text, that's not the problem. It's only strange that the tap does not specify the exact footnote.
No problem, I only want you to know.

That is the behaviour of the renderer on the device. If you loaded the book on the Kobo as an epub, it would behave the same. That is because the Adobe RMSDK that Kobo and tolino use for epubs has no support for footnotes. It is just a link.

But, the renderer that Kobo uses for kepubs takes a guess. Based on the relative location of the source and the destination, the size of the destination and some other things, it can decide the link is a footnote and display the text that is at the destination in the popup. It is not perfect. If the book is an epub3 and the footnotes are done with the appropriate semantic, it is more accurate. I don't know if this plugin does that.

Leonatus · 02-22-2022, 05:32 AM

@davidfor: thank you for clarifying this! I shall do some testing on it.

Leonatus · 02-22-2022, 05:51 AM

I realized that a simple epub2 to epub3 conversion in Calibre doesn't change the behaviour in this point. But I also read elsewhere that, if one wants to benefit of the epub3 features concerning footnotes, there were deeper going measures necessary. Bur I don't know how to do.

davidfor · 02-22-2022, 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leonatus

I realized that a simple epub2 to epub3 conversion in Calibre doesn't change the behaviour in this point. But I also read elsewhere that, if one wants to benefit of the epub3 features concerning footnotes, there were deeper going measures necessary. Bur I don't know how to do.

Some discussion of what is needed took place in https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=345268. It has some links that might help. And I'm sure it has been discussed in detail in the epub forum here.

Leonatus · 02-22-2022, 07:11 AM

Ah, yes, of course!

Leonatus · Yesterday, 04:30 AM

I have a problem similar to the one I reported in #46. However, it now only affects the Kobo Clara 2E and one and the same book (epub2.0; in the reader in KEPUB format using the KoboTouchExtended plug-in, v. 3.6.11) that I am currently working on: When I press on a footnote, a pop-up appears with the respective footnote preview. This works up to footnote [12]. From footnote [13] onwards (there are only 14 footnotes in total), I am also referred to the footnotes; however, no pop-up window opens, but the entire HTML page with the footnotes appears. The back link works perfectly. The problem persists after I have run the plug-in a second time. What surprises me is that the formatting is the same each time, like this:

Code:

<p>»Wie heiß …!«, rief Dona Gabriela, indem sie mit dem Winken ihres Fächers den ganzen <i>donaire</i><a class="noteanchor" id="bodyftn11" href="chapter27.xhtml#ftn11">[11]</a> einer Spanierin affektierte. »Oh! Es fühlt sich nicht so an, als hätten wir den Monat Juli.<a class="noteanchor" id="bodyftn12" href="chapter27.xhtml#ftn12">[12]</a> Aber bei meinem Leben, die Unannehmlichkeiten, die wir erleiden, sind die Freuden wert, die unsere Augen erblickten.«</p>

<p>Die Gesellschaft spaltete sich bald darauf in Gruppen. Einige unterhielten sich, andere spielten, zwei alte Männer saßen beim Backgammon, die Mädchen waren im Garten verstreut und die vier Studenten hatten die üble Idee, einen Tisch zum <i>Voltarete</i><a class="noteanchor" id="bodyftn13" href="chapter27.xhtml#ftn13">[13]</a> zu bilden.</p>

The formatting of the footnote-page is quite identical:

Code:

<p class="note" id="ftn11"><a href="chapter14.xhtml#bodyftn11" class="noteSymbol">11</a> <i>Donaire</i> (span.): typisch spanische Grazie (d. Übers.).</p>
  <p class="note" id="ftn12"><a href="chapter14.xhtml#bodyftn12" class="noteSymbol">12</a> Man bedenke, dass im Monat Juli in Brasilien tiefster Winter herrscht (d. Übers.).</p>
  <p class="note" id="ftn13"><a href="chapter17.xhtml#bodyftn13" class="noteSymbol">13</a> <i>Voltarete</i>: ein Kartenspiel (d. Übers.).</p>
  <p class="note" id="ftn14"><a href="chapter18.xhtml#bodyftn14"

Of course, this only reflects the format in the Sigil version; I can't say whether there have been any changes in the e-reader. No error message appeared when using the plug-in. Have I overlooked something?

Plug-in v. 0.3.3, Sigil v. 2.3.0, Windows 10 64 bit. All quoted texts are in the public domain or subject to the Creative Commons licence.

DNSB · Yesterday, 03:35 PM

Might you be running into the size limit of 5000 characters when you near the end of the file? I seem to remember that being mentioned in the Kobo Labs GitHub Kobo ePub Guidelines document.

PeterT · Yesterday, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DNSB

Might you be running into the size limit of 5000 characters when you near the end of the file? I seem to remember that being mentioned in the Kobo Labs GitHub Kobo ePub Guidelines document.

Are you sure? I see

https://github.com/kobolabs/epub-spe...s-and-maximums

Quote:

Limitations and Maximums
Kobo recommends the following limits for EPUB and EPUB component sizes. Files exceeding these limits should still load to the Kobo store and be accessible on all reading platforms but will take longer to download to users’ devices and will take up more memory. To ensure optimal performance content creators are advised against producing files that exceed these limits.

5 MB/image in FXL and Reflowable ePubs
10 MB of embedded content/each HTML file in an ePub
3 800 000 pixels/viewport or ~1950x1950 in FXL EPUBs
1 GB/ePub

DNSB · Yesterday, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeterT

Are you sure? I see

https://github.com/kobolabs/epub-spe...s-and-maximums

The 5,000 character limit is under the footnotes/endnotes section. The original text mentions iOS but I've found the same issue showing with kepubs.

PeterT · Yesterday, 06:56 PM

Oops

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Yesterday, 04:30 AM	#52
Leonatus Wizard Posts: 1,031 Karma: 11123121 Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Guben, Brandenburg, Germany Device: Kobo Clara 2E, Tolino Shine 3	Pop-up notes and whole footnote-HTML page I have a problem similar to the one I reported in #46. However, it now only affects the Kobo Clara 2E and one and the same book (epub2.0; in the reader in KEPUB format using the KoboTouchExtended plug-in, v. 3.6.11) that I am currently working on: When I press on a footnote, a pop-up appears with the respective footnote preview. This works up to footnote [12]. From footnote [13] onwards (there are only 14 footnotes in total), I am also referred to the footnotes; however, no pop-up window opens, but the entire HTML page with the footnotes appears. The back link works perfectly. The problem persists after I have run the plug-in a second time. What surprises me is that the formatting is the same each time, like this: Code: <p>»Wie heiß …!«, rief Dona Gabriela, indem sie mit dem Winken ihres Fächers den ganzen <i>donaire</i><a class="noteanchor" id="bodyftn11" href="chapter27.xhtml#ftn11">[11]</a> einer Spanierin affektierte. »Oh! Es fühlt sich nicht so an, als hätten wir den Monat Juli.<a class="noteanchor" id="bodyftn12" href="chapter27.xhtml#ftn12">[12]</a> Aber bei meinem Leben, die Unannehmlichkeiten, die wir erleiden, sind die Freuden wert, die unsere Augen erblickten.«</p> <p>Die Gesellschaft spaltete sich bald darauf in Gruppen. Einige unterhielten sich, andere spielten, zwei alte Männer saßen beim Backgammon, die Mädchen waren im Garten verstreut und die vier Studenten hatten die üble Idee, einen Tisch zum <i>Voltarete</i><a class="noteanchor" id="bodyftn13" href="chapter27.xhtml#ftn13">[13]</a> zu bilden.</p> The formatting of the footnote-page is quite identical: Code: <p class="note" id="ftn11"><a href="chapter14.xhtml#bodyftn11" class="noteSymbol">11</a> <i>Donaire</i> (span.): typisch spanische Grazie (d. Übers.).</p> <p class="note" id="ftn12"><a href="chapter14.xhtml#bodyftn12" class="noteSymbol">12</a> Man bedenke, dass im Monat Juli in Brasilien tiefster Winter herrscht (d. Übers.).</p> <p class="note" id="ftn13"><a href="chapter17.xhtml#bodyftn13" class="noteSymbol">13</a> <i>Voltarete</i>: ein Kartenspiel (d. Übers.).</p> <p class="note" id="ftn14"><a href="chapter18.xhtml#bodyftn14" Of course, this only reflects the format in the Sigil version; I can't say whether there have been any changes in the e-reader. No error message appeared when using the plug-in. Have I overlooked something? Plug-in v. 0.3.3, Sigil v. 2.3.0, Windows 10 64 bit. All quoted texts are in the public domain or subject to the Creative Commons licence.

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02-22-2022, 03:17 AM	#46
Leonatus Wizard Posts: 1,031 Karma: 11123121 Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Guben, Brandenburg, Germany Device: Kobo Clara 2E, Tolino Shine 3	I`d just like to forward an experience that I just have made: While tapping on the footnote in the text on my Kobo (with Kepub format), there appears a pop-up with the adequate note and back. But trying the same on my Tolino, tapping on the footnote in the text opens the whole HTML-page with the Endnotes. I can jump back to the text, that's not the problem. It's only strange that the tap does not specify the exact footnote. No problem, I only want you to know.

02-22-2022, 05:32 AM	#48
Leonatus Wizard Posts: 1,031 Karma: 11123121 Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Guben, Brandenburg, Germany Device: Kobo Clara 2E, Tolino Shine 3	@davidfor: thank you for clarifying this! I shall do some testing on it.

02-22-2022, 05:51 AM	#49
Leonatus Wizard Posts: 1,031 Karma: 11123121 Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Guben, Brandenburg, Germany Device: Kobo Clara 2E, Tolino Shine 3	I realized that a simple epub2 to epub3 conversion in Calibre doesn't change the behaviour in this point. But I also read elsewhere that, if one wants to benefit of the epub3 features concerning footnotes, there were deeper going measures necessary. Bur I don't know how to do.

02-22-2022, 07:11 AM	#51
Leonatus Wizard Posts: 1,031 Karma: 11123121 Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Guben, Brandenburg, Germany Device: Kobo Clara 2E, Tolino Shine 3	Ah, yes, of course!

Yesterday, 03:35 PM	#53
DNSB Bibliophagist Posts: 39,075 Karma: 153098470 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Vancouver Device: Kobo Sage, Libra Colour, Lenovo M8 FHD, Paperwhite 4, Tolino epos	Might you be running into the size limit of 5000 characters when you near the end of the file? I seem to remember that being mentioned in the Kobo Labs GitHub Kobo ePub Guidelines document.

Yesterday, 06:56 PM	#56
PeterT Grand Sorcerer Posts: 12,564 Karma: 74358018 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Toronto Device: Libra H2O, Libra Colour	Oops Sent from my Pixel 7a using Tapatalk