Miscellaneous display and editing matters

[foosion]

Originally Posted by DNSB

@foosion: Perhaps you could do screenshots instead of taking pictures of the device screen?

I don't have screenshots set up. My understanding is that I would no longer be able to use the power button to put the Kobo to sleep.

The only point of the pictures is to show my normal 15 lines per screen, but 16 lines are displayed when the last line has a footnote reference. Were the pictures not clear for that purpose?

EDIT: My Libra 2 has now done this with multiple books with wildly different CSS.

[PeterT]

@foosion: what many of us have done is to install NickelMenu and use it to toggle ScreenShots off and on. Also, if you have a sleep cover it will wake / sleep the device even if Screenshots is enabled.

[DNSB]

Personally, I use NickelMenu to toggle screenshots off/on, normally leaving them off.

My Kobos live in sleepcovers so I don't use the power button for sleep. OTOH, my Sage does not have easy access to the power button which makes taking a screenshot a bit of a pain while my other Kobos do have power buttons that are accessible while the sleep cover is on.

A simple one line item in my NickelMenu config file which toggles the screenshot setting off/on:

menu_item : main    : Screenshots        : nickel_setting : toggle : screenshots

[foosion]

I had NickelMenu for a while, but I wasn't using it so I uninstalled it, although I realize some find it essential. I don't use a sleepcover. Is there some forum rule?

Any ideas about the substance - why a footnote causes an extra line?

[Aleron Ives]

You probably missed something in the CSS that is adding a little more padding in some cases that causes line 16 not to fit. In your example, you get 15 lines when there are two paragraphs and 16 lines when there is only one, so it might not be related to the footnote at all; the CSS could have nasty paragraph padding that you missed somewhere.

[foosion]

Originally Posted by Aleron Ives

You probably missed something in the CSS that is adding a little more padding in some cases that causes line 16 not to fit. In your example, you get 15 lines when there are two paragraphs and 16 lines when there is only one, so it might not be related to the footnote at all; the CSS could have nasty paragraph padding that you missed somewhere.

I've seen 16 lines for text with footnote ref at the bottom in a bunch of books with very different CSS and not not found any nasty footnote related CSS in any of them. I mention issues with two books in this thread - one won't even popup footnotes (both kepub).

The nasty padding would have to be for the footnote books, as 15 lines is the norm for every regular text screen on every book on my Kobo, both those without footnotes and those with footnotes somewhere other than the bottom line. It would have to be CSS that only reduces bottom line margin/padding.

What CSS would only affect the bottom line of a screen of text for a kepub?

[Sirtel]

If you're sure there is nothing in the css, then it will probably remain a mystery. Who knows why Kobo does things like that.

BTW, I don't use NickelMenu or a cover either. Like you, I just didn't find NickelMenu to be of any use to me. I realize other people do, of course.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by foosion

Here are examples of a 15 line page and a page with a footnote that's 16 lines.

Both are from a single 90KB kepub file that includes both the text and the footnotes. Popup footnote previews work properly. It therefore appears neither a 90KB file size nor texts and footnotes in the same file are a problem.

Another page has a footnote reference in the middle of the page and that page is 15 lines. I've only seen 16 lines when the footnote reference is at the bottom.

What's after that line with the footnote number?

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

If you're sure there is nothing in the css, then it will probably remain a mystery. Who knows why Kobo does things like that.

BTW, I don't use NickelMenu or a cover either. Like you, I just didn't find NickelMenu to be of any use to me. I realize other people do, of course.

I find NickelMenu to be of value even if you don't use it much. I use it to turn on the frontlight to my value in two taps. Also, I use to so I don't have to unplug the USB cable to update the metadata. And it is useful for the odd screenshot.

[foosion]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

If you're sure there is nothing in the css, then it will probably remain a mystery. Who knows why Kobo does things like that.

BTW, I don't use NickelMenu or a cover either. Like you, I just didn't find NickelMenu to be of any use to me. I realize other people do, of course.

I could understand if there were usually 16 lines and footnote ref caused 15 or if a footnote in the middle of the page behaved the same as one at the bottom or if the footnote thing was only one book, but the current behavior makes no sense to me.

BTW, agreed.

[foosion]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

What's after that line with the footnote number?

The next screen, with nothing unusual, looking like the standard 15 picture.

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I find NickelMenu to be of value even if you don't use it much. I use it to turn on the frontlight to my value in two taps. Also, I use to so I don't have to unplug the USB cable to update the metadata. And it is useful for the odd screenshot.

The frontlight on my Sage is always at 9 (I use my Sage at night in a dimly lit room), so no need to adjust it. On my Libra (which I use in daylight) I adjust it constantly and have no preferred value - it can go from 15 to 90, depending on the ambient light level. And I always have the frontlight on on both of them, I never turn it completely off. So I'd have no use for NickelMenu in this regard.

As to unplugging/replugging, I don't do this very often (I like to have a decent amount of new books before loading them on my Kobos), so I can live with things as they are.

I find screenshots easier and faster to take with my phone - I can upload them immediately to Dropbox and from there to my computer. While I'd have to connect my Kobo via USB to get the photos off it.