Ebooks and Age

[Cinisajoy]

Originally Posted by Froide

Is there a difference in porn consumed by men over 45 and by men 45 and under? If not, then calling it "daddy porn" would be a misnomer.

"Daddy p*rn means something else entirely.
Apparently it is very popular in some circles.

[MGlitch]

My issue with 'mommy porn' as a term is it doesn't accurately describe the type of books that folks seem to lump with it. It should either be porn which features the mommy fetish, or which far and away is read nearly exclusively by mothers. It's very easy to see if a book features a mommy fetish, and I would argue the vast majority of the books typically lumped in to 'mommy porn' do not. It's a statistics nightmare to try and conclusively prove that such a limited* yet varied** demographic is the, essentially, sole reader of said content.



*far under half the population would be mothers. Only slightly more can become mothers.
** Yet within that group you will see the gamut of the human condition, rich, poor, all races, all ethnicities, virtually all sexual orientations, etc. this is the equivalent of trying to get a large group of people to all agree on the best kind of Pizza.

[hildea]

howyoudoin, you first wrote:

Originally Posted by howyoudoin

I like how they employ the euphemism 'Romance'.

It's m0mmy p0rn..

and then you wrote:

Originally Posted by howyoudoin

But tis a step too far into denial to claim people aren't talking about literary porn when they are talking bout literary porn. Maybe the books you have in mind aren't those, but the one's I have in mind here are. So kindly desist from telling me that the sort of books you have in mind aren't the sort of books I have in mind. That might well be true, but have absolutely no relevance to the sort of books I have in mind here. Assuming what I have in mind, creating a strawman of what I have in mind, and going ahead and then proceeding to dismiss this strawman you've built makes no sense. You're talking about romance? Good. I'm talking about literary porn, not romance. Spare us the conflation.

Are you saying that you misspoke the first time, and didn't mean that "romance" = "mommy porn", even if that was what you wrote?
Or did you mean it then, but have changed your mind since?

[Phogg]

Originally Posted by MGlitch

My issue with 'mommy porn' as a term is it doesn't accurately describe the type of books that folks seem to lump with it. It should either be porn which features the mommy fetish, or which far and away is read nearly exclusively by mothers. It's very easy to see if a book features a mommy fetish, and I would argue the vast majority of the books typically lumped in to 'mommy porn' do not. It's a statistics nightmare to try and conclusively prove that such a limited* yet varied** demographic is the, essentially, sole reader of said content.



*far under half the population would be mothers. Only slightly more can become mothers.
** Yet within that group you will see the gamut of the human condition, rich, poor, all races, all ethnicities, virtually all sexual orientations, etc. this is the equivalent of trying to get a large group of people to all agree on the best kind of Pizza.

You are welcome to have any perspective about what the meaning of any word SHOULD be.

When I first heard the term in the eighties it was used to refer to porn read primarily by women, at a time when much of society still clung to the notion that sexual desire for its own sake acted out upon aggressively or even alone was not just primarily a masculine trait...but so rare in women as to be almost exclusively male. It was meant as a slap in the face to neovictorians, certain religious circles, and a misandric sliver of feminism. Across the nineties the figures on the sales of Anne Rice's "Sleeping Beauty" series and the burgeoning sex toy sales were used to stuff that gauntlet with sand and deliver a heavier blow.

Then the awful "Shades of Gray" books were written, and it was pointed out that women would even indulge in porn as sloppily written as the cookie cutter fake letters genre.

I still see the term used the same way. I have, in fact used the term myself in that way. I have not (that I can recall) been in an actual verbal conversation where the "Mommy Porn" term was used to refer to romance novels as a whole. That seems to me to setting up a straw man. It's just a term invented to needle an audience the people who coined it deemed both self righteous and self deceiving.

[MGlitch]

Talking about a group of books and using 'mommy porn' to describe a phenomenon is one thing, using the term as a definitive genre is another.

[djulian]

Originally Posted by crich70

Any author's you would suggest for a good Crime novel?

I know you weren't asking me, but crime fiction is my bag, so I'll throw out a short list:

1) Ed McBain's 87th Precinct books
2) Michael Connelly's Harry Bosch books
3) PD James' Adam Dalgliesh books
4) Chester Himes' Harlem Detective books
5) James Crumley's The Last Good Kiss
6) Dennis Lehane's Kenzie & Gennaro books
7) Jo Nesbø's Harry Hole books

There are of course many more, but those (especially near the top of the list) always make for a good read, and in my opinion, several attain to the level of "good crime novel."

Of course, there's also a classic like Crime & Punishment

[Cosimo]

Why were the descriptions changed after people had already voted?

I'm an LGBTQ person and voted that way, but I'm not non-binary.

[MGlitch]

Really the poll was flawed from the get go, too limited in age range, odd sexual orientation groups (though intended for gender neutrality), etc.

A better poll would break it down by decade, with 'male' 'female' and 'gender neutral'/'Non-binary'. I'd suggest starting with 20's and working up until say the 80s at which point it could just be 80+.

Right now the poll really gets too little information to draw any decent conclusions. And the answers have been changed post-people voting.

[pdurrant]

Originally Posted by Cosimo

Why were the descriptions changed after people had already voted?

I'm an LGBTQ person and voted that way, but I'm not non-binary.

They were changed because of complaints, and because the original poster used the term LGBTQ incorrectly.

I didn't remove the one vote, because I thought the voter had probably managed to interpret the question correctly, even given the incorrect labelling.

That error has now been corrected.

You won't be able to vote again, but if you PM me with your preferred response I will tweak the totals.

[pdurrant]

Originally Posted by MGlitch

Really the poll was flawed from the get go

It was fatally flawed from the get go because it's an online poll. No matter what you do, it can't get you real information about demographics.

[MikeB1972]

I'm more analogue than binary

[Josieb1]

Well I'm over 50 and read all sorts of books but primarily romance. I also read a lot of Fan Fiction on mine as well.

[crich70]

Originally Posted by Josieb1

Well I'm over 50 and read all sorts of books but primarily romance. I also read a lot of Fan Fiction on mine as well.

What fan fiction do you like ? I read a good bit of Harry Potter fan fiction on mine.

[Andy_T]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

I've no doubt that women over 45 could represent a huge portion of readers utilizing ebooks. No unnecessary genre judgements on why, either.

I have no doubt that women (and men) over 45 also represent a huge portion of avid readers of paper books. In other words, my guess is that I think elder people (like myself) tend to read more.

[Andy_T]

Am I a bit dense in that I did not even notice that the original question was asking for our sexual orientation?