08-30-2009, 05:07 AM | #46 |
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What annoys me about the UK government's attitude is that they use the reduction in peoples' carbon footprint to justify building a stonking great runway at Heathrow Airport.
If I'm reducing my carbon footprint, I want it to be for the good of the environment - I don't want my government undoing whatever good is being accomplished. Ironically, it'll probably be greener in the long run for us not to recycle and go low-energy, so the government can't use that as an excuse to increase pollution and make things worse. |
08-30-2009, 09:17 AM | #47 | |
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It will only drive people to use 2x60W instead of 1x100W. Someone just cannot help themselves, they think they have a right to make the right decisions for others. Last edited by astra; 08-30-2009 at 09:51 AM. Reason: to use |
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08-30-2009, 09:47 AM | #48 |
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Unfortunately the current UK govt is very much into nanny-state-ism and big-brother-ism
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08-30-2009, 09:56 AM | #49 |
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'florescent-that-look-like-incandescents, ' cost about 10 times as much as ordinary incandescent bulbs, last 15 times longer, and use about 1/10 the energy to operate end quote (sorry, I don't know how to do the cool quote box). Anyway, I use today's florescent that go in incandescent sockets. And they do not live up to the 10 times longer or even 5 times longer. But they are definitely more expensive. I don't have to worry so much about the mandatory thing because I'm in the US, but I was pretty annoyed at the first flors that I bought--some lasted a year, some two, but on the higher "wattage" ones, they weren't much better than a regular bulb, yet they cost oodles more. I still use them quite often and thankfully the price has come down and I hope that the technology improves. My favorite thing about them is that they are cooler--because I am often sitting by a lamp when I read. My face used to actually turn red from the heat from the bulb (my husband would look over and move the lamp--I never knew this until I was married!) Of course, I'd say, give the people the choice--but build better technology and it's an easy choice!!! Maria Sage: Tales from a Magical Kingdom |
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Personally I find that they last a heck of a lot longer than incandescent bulbs do. |
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Omg. Until I traveled to the Netherlands I didn't suspect how widely wind farms are used. Then we went to Austria. The same. Maybe British like birds more than anyone else in the world? |
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08-30-2009, 12:34 PM | #53 | |
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2) 60W, 40W, 25W,... incandescent bulbs will be banned too one day or another. I hope so. 3) Let's not generalise. Personnaly, this will not drive me to circumvent the rule. 4) Those who make those decisions have the right (and the knowledge hopefully) to make them because they are appointed by our elected governments to do so (I mean the European Commission). And because almost every Commission's decision is ratified by the European Parliament (elected too). Last edited by Kostas; 08-30-2009 at 12:37 PM. |
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There are a decent amount of wind mills already there. But they weren't allowed to add more because the electric net couldn't have it and those 3 coal plants were already planned and the birds might kill themselves against the blades... They also wanted a "green plant". Same reason for denial as the wind mills (except for the birds, naturally...) What I never understood is how they say we, the consumer, should make our carbon footprint smaller. Do you really think it will make a difference if the big companies don't make theirs smaller? If you see the amount of light, in the dark, just to light up a building... Or to keep a shop lighted to discourage thieves... And the street lights that keep burning at full light all through the night on the highways... (Belgium is the worst in that respect)... |
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08-30-2009, 05:27 PM | #56 |
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It was very obvious from your previous post!
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08-30-2009, 06:08 PM | #57 |
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I've been buying high quality compact flourescents for years. I prefer them to incandescents because they don't get hot, and thus are safer in my circa 1908 home.
The high quality flourescents are daylight spectrum, which is more pleasing to my eyes than either the cheap flourescents or incandescent. All IMO. I don't support bans in general, but I do trust that the EC is doing their best. Last edited by doreenjoy; 08-30-2009 at 06:10 PM. |
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The US hasn't banned incandescents yet, but it just seems like it is a matter of time. I find the wholesale banning of 100W incandescent bulbs to be very sad as people with Macular degeneration or low vision need bright light like this in order to maximize what we can see. Fluorescents just don't seem to cut it. We should have a choice in what we buy.
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08-30-2009, 06:42 PM | #59 | |
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Also no one has mentioned power quality. The switching of the power supply in the CFL may cause harmonic issues and wreck havoc on the power grid due to poor power factors |
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In this area the stores have replaced the 100w bulbs with 90w bulbs. |
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