MobileRead May 2011 Mobile Read Book Club Vote - Page 26

WT Sharpe · 05-04-2011, 06:10 PM

I got hooked on The Young and The Restless after my niece got a temporary role on that show. They are addictive.

bookwormat · 05-05-2011, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Daytime soap operas are extremely unbelievable and in some cases very silly.

No question about that. But the same is not true for Anna Karenina. Even if Anna reads a bit like the soap of its time.

Pablo · 05-07-2011, 06:47 PM

I just uploaded an epub version of Anna Karenina.

I was reading the Manybooks ePub version, but really disliked the way it was formatted, so I downloaded HTML EBook #1399 from PG and re-formatted.

Features:
- Fontin Font embedded
- Multilevel TOC
- Smart quotes
- Indented paragraphs with no spacing between them
- Drop caps

I normally proofread a book before uploading, but this time I made an exception because it's this month's club book.

JSWolf · 05-08-2011, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by AnemicOak

There are plenty of men who watch them too.

None that I know.

JSWolf · 05-08-2011, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

I just uploaded an epub version of Anna Karenina.

I was reading the Manybooks ePub version, but really disliked the way it was formatted, so I downloaded HTML EBook #1399 from PG and re-formatted.

Features:
- Fontin Font embedded
- Multilevel TOC
- Smart quotes
- Indented paragraphs with no spacing between them
- Drop caps

I normally proofread a book before uploading, but this time I made an exception because it's this month's club book.

Sounds quite nicely formatted.

dreams · 05-08-2011, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

I just uploaded an epub version of Anna Karenina.
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Thank you.

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

None that I know.

Or none that would admit to it - to you?

Pablo · 05-09-2011, 06:18 AM

I would like to add some "editor notes" to Anna Karenina: the translation of certain passages and expressions that are in german or french in the original. Tolstoy didn't bother to translate them and I feel I am missing something. Does anyone know if there's something on this out there? I googled a bit but found nothing.

Pablo · 05-09-2011, 10:22 AM

Just uploaded V2 of Anna Karenina with corrections.
I made a list of expressions in french and german (and a couple in latin, if I am not mistaken) (see attachment if you are interested)
Tostoy was certainly not writing for the masses, unless he thought that common people spent half their time speaking in french and german like his aristocratic characters....

BenG · 05-11-2011, 09:33 AM

The Pevear/ Volokhnsky translation at Amazon has footnotes for these and other contemporary cultural references.

JSWolf · 05-11-2011, 02:28 PM

I have a suggestion. Next time we have a vote on eBooks that are supposed to be free, can we make sure they are 100% free and not a mess like Anna is? It's a mess in that there are different translations/versions and not all are free. So to get the version wanted, money may have to be used. That makes Anna, not 100% free.

AnemicOak · 05-11-2011, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I have a suggestion. Next time we have a vote on eBooks that are supposed to be free, can we make sure they are 100% free and not a mess like Anna is? It's a mess in that there are different translations/versions and not all are free. So to get the version wanted, money may have to be used. That makes Anna, not 100% free.

Lots of folks are reading the Garnett version which is free, it's your choice if you want to buy a version that's not free.

I don't remember any requirement that the book be free (for instance 1984 isn't free in the US it's still under copyright [$8.59 @ Amazon, $9.99 @ Sony]) just that it be in the public domain in the US or Canada.

Now if you want to argue that a translation be agreed upon ahead of time that might have some merit.

JSWolf · 05-11-2011, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnemicOak

Lots of folks are reading the Garnett version which is free, it's your choice if you want to buy a version that's not free.

I don't remember any requirement that the book be free (for instance 1984 isn't free in the US it's still under copyright [$8.59 @ Amazon, $9.99 @ Sony]) just that it be in the public domain in the US or Canada.

Now if you want to argue that a translation be agreed upon ahead of time that might have some merit.

If the book is supposed to be free in the US and Canada, then how did 1984 get nominated in the first place since it clearly is not free in the USA?

As for the translation being agreed upon ahead of time, that I agree with. But in a case like this, only the freely available translations can be used as the idea was to make this month's book free.

DixieGal · 05-11-2011, 03:03 PM

I am both reading and listening to it. I read in bed, but listen to the Librivox version while at the gym. Almost finished Book 1. Whew, it's a big'un!

AnemicOak · 05-11-2011, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

If the book is supposed to be free in the US and Canada, then how did 1984 get nominated in the first place since it clearly is not free in the USA?

Then the rule should have been it had to be public domain and freely available everywhere not just Canada or the US. The criteria said public domain, not that it had to be free everywhere.

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As for the translation being agreed upon ahead of time, that I agree with. But in a case like this, only the freely available translations can be used as the idea was to make this month's book free.

Well, I'm 30 pages from finishing the Maude translation I bought for $1.79. I'm certainly not going to re-read it just to have read the free Garnett translation. I'm guessing that whatever translation folks decided to go with the overall story will come out the same. What I've compared between Maude and Garnett weren't THAT different and didn't change what was being told, just how it was worded.

sun surfer · 05-12-2011, 02:54 AM

The edition or translation of a book one decides to read should be one's own choice. The membership of this book club is too varied to try otherwise.

Especially with translations. It's a sticky subject. Try telling everyone to read a free translation when some may prefer to pay more for a certain translation or the footnotes, etc. that accompany it. Also, try telling everyone to read a more expensive translation when a free one could be just as suitable. Choice is good.

But while we're on the subject of paying for books, I'm not a fan of the book selections being decided by their price tag. Of course, if a book is super expensive, I would understand. And the months where there is a specific effort, like this month and the public domain requirement, then it's fine. But I've seen other months where the discussion during nominating and voting has turned to which of the nominations are cheap, or posters encouraging others to not choose a book because it's not free or extremely cheap. I don't like that.

And on a similar subject, I've also sometimes noticed the discussion during nominating and voting turning to which books are available as ebooks in certain areas. I don't like this either. As I've understood the rules of the club that I've read in the first post of the monthly nomination threads, a book doesn't have to be available as an ebook anywhere to be selected, let alone in a certain area. At least, nowhere have I noticed that mentioned.

I understand this is a digital reading site and that most of us may read most of our books digitally, but if it isn't an official requirement of a club selection then I don't think it's relevant. As much as I'd rather read an ebook, if the selection one month was a book I could only buy physically and I wanted to read it for the club, then I would suck it up and buy the physical book or physically check it out from my local library. I wouldn't expect everyone else not to vote for that selection just because I'd rather buy the book electronically. If the overwhelming general consensus disagrees with me on this, then I'd suggest the rules be changed to clarify the ebook requirement. Then I'd be fine with it. Otherwise though, I prefer that the selection be decided on what interests the most people in a particular genre each month, not which is the absolute cheapest or available as an e-book in Antarctica.

View Poll Results: May 2011 Mobile Read Book Club Vote
1984 by George Orwell	22	24.72%
The Picture of Dorian Gray by Oscar Wilde	4	4.49%
Call of the Wild by Jack London	6	6.74%
Anna Karenina by Leo Tolstoy	23	25.84%
Personal Recollections of Joan of Arc by Mark Twain	4	4.49%
War of the Worlds by H.G. Wells	7	7.87%
Don Quixote by Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra	4	4.49%
Riders of the Purple Sage by Zane Grey	8	8.99%
The Age of Innocence by Edith Wharton	7	7.87%
The Diary of a Nobody by George Grossmith and Weedon Grossmith	4	4.49%
Voters: 89. You may not vote on this poll

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05-04-2011, 06:10 PM	#376
WT Sharpe Bah, humbug! Posts: 39,073 Karma: 157049943 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Chesapeake, VA, USA Device: Kindle Oasis, iPad Pro, & a Samsung Galaxy S9.	I got hooked on The Young and The Restless after my niece got a temporary role on that show. They are addictive.

05-07-2011, 06:47 PM	#378
Pablo Guru Posts: 970 Karma: 4999999 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Rosario, Argentina Device: SONY PRS-505, PRS-T2	I just uploaded an epub version of Anna Karenina. I was reading the Manybooks ePub version, but really disliked the way it was formatted, so I downloaded HTML EBook #1399 from PG and re-formatted. Features: - Fontin Font embedded - Multilevel TOC - Smart quotes - Indented paragraphs with no spacing between them - Drop caps I normally proofread a book before uploading, but this time I made an exception because it's this month's club book.

05-09-2011, 06:18 AM	#382
Pablo Guru Posts: 970 Karma: 4999999 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Rosario, Argentina Device: SONY PRS-505, PRS-T2	I would like to add some "editor notes" to Anna Karenina: the translation of certain passages and expressions that are in german or french in the original. Tolstoy didn't bother to translate them and I feel I am missing something. Does anyone know if there's something on this out there? I googled a bit but found nothing.

05-11-2011, 09:33 AM	#384
BenG Home Guard Posts: 4,729 Karma: 86721650 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Alpha Ralpha Boulevard Device: Kindle Oasis 3G, iPhone 6	The Pevear/ Volokhnsky translation at Amazon has footnotes for these and other contemporary cultural references.

05-11-2011, 02:28 PM	#385
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 74,478 Karma: 129668758 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	I have a suggestion. Next time we have a vote on eBooks that are supposed to be free, can we make sure they are 100% free and not a mess like Anna is? It's a mess in that there are different translations/versions and not all are free. So to get the version wanted, money may have to be used. That makes Anna, not 100% free.

05-11-2011, 03:03 PM	#388
DixieGal Hi There! Posts: 7,473 Karma: 2930523 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ft Lauderdale Device: iPad	I am both reading and listening to it. I read in bed, but listen to the Librivox version while at the gym. Almost finished Book 1. Whew, it's a big'un!

05-12-2011, 02:54 AM	#390
sun surfer languorous autodidact ✦ Posts: 4,235 Karma: 44637926 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: smiling with the rising sun Device: onyx boox poke 2 colour, kindle voyage	The edition or translation of a book one decides to read should be one's own choice. The membership of this book club is too varied to try otherwise. Especially with translations. It's a sticky subject. Try telling everyone to read a free translation when some may prefer to pay more for a certain translation or the footnotes, etc. that accompany it. Also, try telling everyone to read a more expensive translation when a free one could be just as suitable. Choice is good. But while we're on the subject of paying for books, I'm not a fan of the book selections being decided by their price tag. Of course, if a book is super expensive, I would understand. And the months where there is a specific effort, like this month and the public domain requirement, then it's fine. But I've seen other months where the discussion during nominating and voting has turned to which of the nominations are cheap, or posters encouraging others to not choose a book because it's not free or extremely cheap. I don't like that. And on a similar subject, I've also sometimes noticed the discussion during nominating and voting turning to which books are available as ebooks in certain areas. I don't like this either. As I've understood the rules of the club that I've read in the first post of the monthly nomination threads, a book doesn't have to be available as an ebook anywhere to be selected, let alone in a certain area. At least, nowhere have I noticed that mentioned. I understand this is a digital reading site and that most of us may read most of our books digitally, but if it isn't an official requirement of a club selection then I don't think it's relevant. As much as I'd rather read an ebook, if the selection one month was a book I could only buy physically and I wanted to read it for the club, then I would suck it up and buy the physical book or physically check it out from my local library. I wouldn't expect everyone else not to vote for that selection just because I'd rather buy the book electronically. If the overwhelming general consensus disagrees with me on this, then I'd suggest the rules be changed to clarify the ebook requirement. Then I'd be fine with it. Otherwise though, I prefer that the selection be decided on what interests the most people in a particular genre each month, not which is the absolute cheapest or available as an e-book in Antarctica.

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